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Frostys Virpio
Profit's Prophets
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Posted - 2012.08.28 06:03:00 -
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Corvus Borealis wrote:moronv wrote:Well it looks like my playing days have just been revived, The Hulk has finally been nerfed. Max Ore cargo 8,500 m3 cant expand it any bigger so now i switch to macks with a fantastic 35k m3 ore hold thankyou ccp  Are you seriously idiot? Mining yield is all that matters. There is Iteron mark V, it can yield 38,000m3 that's even better than Mackinaw, go mine in one of them and perhaps then you realise how idiot you are.
It can go a bit over 41k m3 but it's still usually a loss because you have to :
1- mine to cans
2- warp back to sattion
3- re-ship to iteron
4- warp to belt
5- pick up cans
6- warp abck to station
7- dump
7- re-ship to hulk
8- warp back to belt
A mack gets :
1- mine
2- warp to station
3- dump
4- warp to belt
The last math I saw put the requirement around 3 hulk + orca to outmine the same number of ships in macks because of the time saved by hauling yourself instead of having to warp back and forth. |
Frostys Virpio
Profit's Prophets
Strategic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.28 23:12:00 -
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celebro wrote:Overall these mining barge changes seems good. I used to mine with hulk+orca alt. Now if 2 mackinaws is more effective my orca alt sp have just been wasted and I would need to train my alt for a mackinaw. That's really my only issue.
Or you could get the multiplayer back in MMO and get a corp to make mining ops where your hulk's added yield would shine and your orca boost would be worth even more.
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Frostys Virpio
Profit's Prophets
Strategic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.29 14:34:00 -
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celebro wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:celebro wrote:Overall these mining barge changes seems good. I used to mine with hulk+orca alt. Now if 2 mackinaws is more effective my orca alt sp have just been wasted and I would need to train my alt for a mackinaw. That's really my only issue. Or you could get the multiplayer back in MMO and get a corp to make mining ops where your hulk's added yield would shine and your orca boost would be worth even more. I like to mine solo, you are suggesting a play style I don't like, and which I have already tried out.. No need to state the obvious that this is a multiplayer game,btw its also a sandbox and I still market trade which is a multiplayer activity.
It's nto a nerf to you. All it is is a buff to other people's ship. Your hulk still mine just as much if not more than it did before patch. You enver got nerfed if you were using orca + hulk. It's just not the best solution but you didn't loose any yield. The hulk is just not the best solution for you. You only see it as a nerf because you are used to the hulk being the be all end all solution to mining. It is not anymore. There are better solution depending on how you want to mine. |
Frostys Virpio
Profit's Prophets
Strategic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.29 17:07:00 -
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celebro wrote:I mostly care about is the yield/hour not complaining about the cargo hold of the hulk or anything else, but if the better option for 2 accounts is 2x macks (to max your yield). I'll have to drop my hulk+orca setup, then in my view it's a hulk nerf. I understand that on it's own ( with no alts) the hulk is worse than the other options but at least with orca support on its own it should be better. Specialised fleet mining ship, yet 2 accounts makes a fleet afaik. 
It's not a nerf because the hulk didn't lose any yield. A new better option appeared but you could ahve the ewxact same yield as before without switching anything. That means you didn't get any nerf at all since you can do exactly the same for the exact same results. |
Frostys Virpio
Profit's Prophets
Strategic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.29 19:09:00 -
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celebro wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:celebro wrote:I mostly care about is the yield/hour not complaining about the cargo hold of the hulk or anything else, but if the better option for 2 accounts is 2x macks (to max your yield). I'll have to drop my hulk+orca setup, then in my view it's a hulk nerf. I understand that on it's own ( with no alts) the hulk is worse than the other options but at least with orca support on its own it should be better. Specialised fleet mining ship, yet 2 accounts makes a fleet afaik. It's not a nerf because the hulk didn't lose any yield. A new better option appeared but you could ahve the ewxact same yield as before without switching anything. That means you didn't get any nerf at all since you can do exactly the same for the exact same results. Technically your are right its not a nerf, more of a 'stealth nerf' . You are only as rich as the poorest man. If you buff the other mining ships , specially the T1's then you will realise there is no big advantage gap anymore, also take note it's a free market, prices will go way down as everyone and their mother can get quite decent yields compared to the hulk.
It's still not a nerf to your yields. The value of trit and such were modified because the supply is higher than it was before but everybody "suffer" from this as all miner have some trit to sell. Your hulk didn't get nerfed unless you didn;t use it the right way. The only way someone can say his hulk was nerfet is if he was an idiot shitfitting his hulk for cargo space thus creating a paper hulk. He lost the possibility to make his paper hulk but this role is now covered by a ship much better at it, the mack. For anyone who was using the hulk with either cans or hauler support, there were no nerf at all. It is no longer the only good ship to mine and some solution it will get beaten by another ship but that is a GOOD thing. Buy the right ship to do the job you want and thats all. If you keep thinking you got somehow nerfed, it's because you are looking for problems where there are none.
EDIT :
Velicitia wrote:
they're not flooding the market yet. Remember, we're still in the tail end of the summer slump as far as players go. we'll probably see prices start falling in September/October...
The miners coming back at the end of summer will at least be partially countered by the pvpers coming back at the end of summer blowing up more ships thus requiring more replacement. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:00:00 -
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Crewsus Zork wrote:I am not a hard core gamer. I have two accounts, but I do not spend hours every week to play.
Been very happy with the game, the endless exploring and the feeling that I can never master all aspects of the game. WONDERFUL and beats all other MMOs any day!
Until today, when I login with my second account and realise that the rigs I bought for my Hulk (approximately 200.000.000 ISK) are useless.
I could easily have overlooked this if I could remove the rigs and get my hard earned ISK back.
But sadly this is not the case and in my opinion someone stole 200.000.000 ISK from me. Not another player, that would be part of the game, but CCP who possibly could point to some section in the EULA to defend this.
You should really think things through and consider the consequences for those affected by the changes you make. I bought those rigs to increase cargo hold. Yes, those modules still do the same job, but they are working with different figures. 2-300 m3 is not worth 200 MISK.
I do understand your aim to make mining more of an art, but I think it was executed with a lack of respect.
It may seem ridiculous to take something virtual this serious. But in the end it is time and money we are talking about, and that is important and should be respected.
I will give this some serious thought before I decide wether to quit this game or forgive and forget.
Hopefully it is enough just to write some of the heat off and send this to you so you at least can be aware how your decision affected me.
Mail em your stuff and quit if you still can't understand how the hulk was not nerfed and still don't understand stuff always cahnge in MOs. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:29:00 -
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Crewsus Zork wrote:Hans Momaki wrote:Crewsus Zork wrote:Wow...insightful comments. Thanks!
I now understand that when you buy rigs you should always bear in mind that CCP might make a change that renders your purchase useless.
I now understand that I was an idiot to fit for max cargo hold for solo mining and not realising that CCP would make changes this way in the future. I see it now, reason and logic in action.
I also understand that 200 million ISK is not much to anyone, the hours it would take me to make them is nothing, hence I understand that EVE is not for casual gamers. Oh come on. Don't be a whiny carebear ffs. You lost 200 mil because CCP changed something - get over it, that happens. Won't be, cancelled my second account used for mining and will explore something else.
You should of bought a mack and AFK mined it...
I will still accept contract of your stuff since you are quitting btw. |
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